I remember one time i had an imaginary version of someone
I treated them as an imaginary friend but i also remember when i created an imaginary friend off of someone i always told them that they arent exactly that said person
If you want to go the parroting route simply imagine them; rather than force a response, simply allow one to happen. This is your basic empathy circuitry firing and it's what you want. It's real, you just need to accept the reality of it for it become real.
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1:03 AM
There is a subtle distinction between the forcing of a response and allowance
Some people struggle with it depending on their level of skepticism, but you seem used to the notions of suggestion so hopefully that knowledge makes you understand it's really that simple; yes.
If you believe lucid dreaming is easy it becomes easy
Zen
Some people struggle with it depending on their level of skepticism, but you seem used to the notions of suggestion so hopefully that knowledge makes you understand it's really that simple; yes.
It sounds exceedingly magical but it's actually I think an easier practice than lucid dreaming. In lucid dreaming there's a distinct skill involved in maintaining a dream, there's skills involved in remaining conscious in WILDs. I don't really think tulpamancy, at its core, is a skill. It's just the acceptance of one idea, followed by experiencing the stuff that comes with that, followed by that idea being reinforced as real by that cool and weird stuff happening.
Tulpamancy gets fallen into accidentally by spiritualists and authors all the time, I think. I don't think it's anywhere near the level of consistent lucid dreaming in terms of difficulty if you ask me.(edited)
If I had to make a comparison, tulpamancy is more like the difficulty of getting consistent remembered dreams. It's about that simple. Teach your mind that you want something and it simply happens. It's more doable than people realize, but it runs counter to what we've learned about ourselves.
In a way they already do, it's just your mind weakens them to prevent you from... well... having psychosis. If you felt all voices as "real" as your own you would be in a perpetual state of confusion and dissonance.
Mmm. I would say that ideas compete early on, but not necessarily the actual perspective-feeling that the brain has to create identities. The brain tries to maintain control over other thoughtforms via dissociation, and I can see it being actively dangerous for such a competition to occur when it's easier to just integrate ideas into one perspective. Though I think we are used to dealing with slightly altered and semi-competing thoughtforms in the form of things like alternate personalities for work and friends and family and so on. But there's nothing incongruent about holding all these things at once.
That said it's not a completely out-there hypothesis. We develop empathetic ability about a year before we develop "categorical self" in terms of "I am this". So perhaps; It's somewhat unfalsifiable though without brain scans or something to support.
Zen
Mmm. I would say that ideas compete early on, but not necessarily the actual perspective-feeling that the brain has to create identities. The brain tries to maintain control over other thoughtforms via dissociation, and I can see it being actively dangerous for such a competition to occur when it's easier to just integrate ideas into one perspective. Though I think we are used to dealing with slightly altered and semi-competing thoughtforms in the form of things like alternate personalities for work and friends and family and so on. But there's nothing incongruent about holding all these things at once.
That said it's not a completely out-there hypothesis. We develop empathetic ability about a year before we develop "categorical self" in terms of "I am this". So perhaps; It's somewhat unfalsifiable though without brain scans or something to support.
Basically i think once a child experiences thought
1:43 AM
The different thoughts keep going until it develops more and more
Zen
In a way they already do, it's just your mind weakens them to prevent you from... well... having psychosis. If you felt all voices as "real" as your own you would be in a perpetual state of confusion and dissonance.
Annoyingly, a large part of tulpamancy is just neurologically unknown to us and is only beginning to be dipped into by real science.
1:44 AM
There are a couple of studies still ongoing but there's not exactly any conclusive or insightful things to say at the moment about it that we don't know from other places.
My devotion to empiricism prevents me from making a concrete statement. I have two loves: My Tulpa, Rhys, and my mistress Empiricism.
1:48 AM
At the moment that seems like a statement without any observational data to go with it. A possibility, even a solid one, but not one that has anything to settle on.
Yes. Possibly. But it relies on first understanding how we generate identities. There's been some exploration of that topic - But chiefly we'd need to be able to look at a brain and see whether it is generating a new identity state.
1:51 AM
And we are kinda not there yet.
1:51 AM
But if we can do that. We would theoretically be able to look at a baby brain and see if it is generating more than one then favouring one as it functions better.
Here's another question: Is there any value in such a competition versus just having a single identity compete with itself, knowing that everything a tulpa can do, so to can a host, and vice versa?
1:53 AM
We know identities can hold opposing opinions at the same time, it's disturbingly common.
Zen
Here's another question: Is there any value in such a competition versus just having a single identity compete with itself, knowing that everything a tulpa can do, so to can a host, and vice versa?
I've often wondered if that antagonistic-mode me that I'm arguing with is indeed "another" thoughtform or whether it really is me. I think the answer to that is yes on both counts. If a thoughtform feels like me it is me even if it's structurally different. We are not as attached to the data in our memories as we think, identity is actually the "feeling" of identity, mostly. But at the same time it's a subtly different state and line of thought, even if it is associated with me directly.
1:58 AM
snerk
You're braver than I, or you have a more fascinating father than I.
Your tulpa is just as reliant on your reflexes and abilities as you are. If you possess that ability so will they and vice versa. And they will need to be trained in the same way.
2:03 AM
However...
2:03 AM
You should be aware that tulpas can indeed confabulate experience if you expect them to
Ie if you ask them, after they have been in stasis for several days and not thinking where they have been, they will be able to give you an answer. Even when in reality quite frankly they have not being extant
2:04 AM
They are usually not convincing, it's suggestion based.
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